"We formed the new government"
Former Chancellor Silvan Shalom of Likud in an interview with "WEEKLY HEBREW."
"political horizon WANT BUT DO NOT REPEAT THE EXPERIENCE OF GAZA ROCKETS AS FOR NOW TO THE MAY FIRE BEN GURION AIRPORT.
"political horizon WANT BUT DO NOT REPEAT THE EXPERIENCE OF GAZA ROCKETS AS FOR NOW TO THE MAY FIRE BEN GURION AIRPORT.
By Ana Jerozolimskie (Weekly Hebrew. Uruguay)
Forward: www.porisrael.org
Silvan Shalom (50), born in Tunisia, arrived Israel at five months old. He is an economist and lawyer, was elected deputy of the Likud for the first time in 1992 and served between 2003 and 2006 as Minister of Foreign Affairs, having held the finance portfolio before.
In 2005 challenged the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu in the Likud and reached second place in the internal strife. It is of key party figures and could return as Chancellor, if the Likud is a government which does not have to give that ministry as central to a coalition partner.
Q: The President of the State, as determined by law, must entrust the formation of the government to one of the elected deputies, the head of a party. On the one hand, Kadima is the largest party and therefore Tzipi Livni says she should be prime minister and another block on the right, headed by the Likud, is the largest, so Benjamin Netanyahu argues that he should be the head of government. "The President is in trouble?
R: I do not have a problem. I believe that the results are clear. Also in the past mandated training government to whom the largest number of members who recommend it and I am sure that this time will be. I hope not recommend less than 61 deputies to be the Likud who should form the government, in which case everything would be particularly clear, but even if it comes to that, it is clear that many more MPs will recommend Netanyahu, not Livni, So I do not think that there must be doubts.
. Anyway, we can be sure of support 65 to form a coalition government if the national bloc, although I hope there is also a coalition including Kadima.
Q: Why no rotation between Netanyahu and Livni?
A: That's not what believe. The rotation is now open letters. We can then form a government of 65 seats. The intention is to form a government quickly, not drag things indefinitely for several weeks, because it leads to stability and do not want it. And I should clarify that for us the possibility to include the Labour party is relevant.
Kadima must give up the dream of rotation, because there is no rotation. Netanyahu wants to form the broadest possible government, but that will not be able to allow Kadima to alter the basis on which to form a government of Netanyahu.
And I think those who insist upon rotation considerations do personal, not for the national good.
BETWEEN PARTIES AND BLOCKS
A: There is no doubt that the Likud is the central element of the block called the "national", the Likud on the right. Does that mean you prefer to secure a government with Kadima in order to handle it differently?
A: I think in a coalition with Kadima we have greater possibilities of action to deal with the major challenges will this government. Remember that many things "fall" right in the period of action of this government which is to be formed: the Iranian bomb, the clash with Hamas I believe will be inevitable for a second time again, the major economic crisis significant changes in the U.S. with the new administration. All this together makes imperative to govern with a larger part of citizenship. But as they say in English. "It takes two to tango."
Here. Kadima is still dreaming and imagining things. I suggest you stop with games and tricks and if you really intend a "different policy", as they say, understand that they lost the election. What is decisive here are the blocks and it is clear that we have them 65 and 55.
And PEACE NEGOTIATIONS?
Q: You said before that they prefer a coalition with Kadima since that will give them more leeway Numerically, when taking key decisions. But my impression is that consideration of the Likud goes beyond the numerical. If you form a coalition only with the parties and the religious right (though the game is something special because Lieberman is right, but very secular), the Likud would be the central element of that block. "The issue is not you, from a political standpoint, are very different, for example, Ihud Leumi?
A: I'm against desligitimización other groups. Let's see what had so far. Until now, the left coalition had 70 seats. For three years, not bother. Is it managed in that time to make peace with the Palestinians? No. Were they able with the Syrians? No. Maybe that means the problem is not on our side but on the actors, that although they offer everything, do not come, do not sign anything? Come now and say that if a right wing government will not be political horizon and ability to negotiate is primarily wrong. And Likud governments had made peace. Moreover, in the last three years could have made peace three times but failed. That is not always the Israeli side is to blame .. The government tried, wanted peace, but could not, but Olmert gave 98% of the territory to Palestinians spoke of dividing Jerusalem, Golan spoke to lose everything ... and did you receive? Nothing. He failed.
BETWEEN CENTER AND RIGHT
P: The problem with actors is a fact, but it is something separate. You did not understand my question. I was not talking about the legitimacy or illegitimacy of Yichud Haleumi, but the fact that you are different from a game like, totally right, nationalist. Or I'm wrong in the analysis?
A: No, that's undeniable. We are different. That is obvious. They are a right wing party, we are the center-right. And yes we are ready to go to a peace agreement. We want political horizon. Bibi said it clearly in his victory speech, which will see all the possibilities for peace. But I can not say that we will find peace and try to reach it and then see the other side running partners to do so.
also seems that now the world will be a busy time with issues of internal order, with economic crisis, with less time to external issues, except on issues that really are inevitable as taxes and a clear example is the issue Iran pump. The schedule is given in a way that clearly can be reached on the nuclear option during the next few years, the government will be formed.
the Iranian danger
Q: And we talk every day the Palestinian issue, the various problems and Hamas, but that's not an existential threat to Israel. Nuclear Iran, they can do ... If the government is just to the right of Likud, it will be difficult to make such key decisions as those which are needed now is not it? And Netanyahu has said Israel will not allow Iran to have nuclear power ...
A: The fact is that Iran is an existential threat. No doubt Hamas can cause us problems. Hezbollah also. But that's not an existential threat. But the Iranian issue is one thing and Israel can not afford to live in a situation in which Iran have nuclear power. That should be clear.
also be known that when talking about the military option, that should be the last, last resort. Profundament I believe in the likelihood of success of economic sanctions. It sags in the past in South Africa, defeated Libya, is making the task with North Korea should be punished .. but true, not "Light." I think that we should not wait for a Security Council decision as China and Russia will not join. Russia has returned to the Soviet Union's position according to which America's enemy is your friend.
Only 2% of Iran's trade with Russia therefore not be significant if Russia joins or not sanctions. As for China, does not care about international issues, except as Taiwan. And does not impose a veto in the Security Council. In addition, China has signed with Iran the largest settlement in modern history, 75 billion dollars for oil and gas supply for 30 years, so I see no chance whatsoever that China would join.
have to take another option. Between the U.S. and the EU have 2 / 3 of international trade in Iran. So you have to think that if they impose real sanctions, then Canada will join them. Australia and Japan. And that would be very serious. Do not wait can not wait for a decision of the Security Council it will not be effective and in the meantime, the clock is ticking. If the world decides it can do.
course I'm not sure this is the policy of the new U.S. administration. But I also think there will be if Iran is moving quickly to stop if nuclear program or not. I hope that takes time is not unlimited.
the political horizon
Q: Turning to the Palestinian issue. In the Likud, the majority of its members want to emphasize that "political horizon", they agree. But if they make a government with right-wing parties with different positions that do not accept any withdrawal rate what political horizon will be speaking?
A: It is now not see any situation where there horizon with partners with which they can achieve something. "With Hamas in Gaza, who can not speak? With Abu Mazen in the West Bank does not control the situation as it is needed? How Syria while it remains a protectorate of Iran can not reach any real understanding? So I think this is sometimes more anxiety and aspiration of us that something we can realize ..
Q: Is that why you said that he supported political horizon? Are you saying that because he believes that just is not there?
A: No. I always believed in the need for a political horizon. I wish I could achieve. That is the right direction. But once there, it must be clear that all parties must give up something. If not, does not work.
Q: The question is what would accept the Likud, if problems are solved and yes there is the possibility of reaching a concrete agreement. "The Likud is willing to accept a Palestinian state built in territories from which Israel will have to withdraw?
A: Look, after what happened in Gaza, now that allow them to shoot from Beit Arie planes landing at Ben Gurion, is impossible. Of course now that's not the way to follow. In the past we all thought that the Gaza disengagement was a clear opportunity open to peace, Gaza would develop, which would have tourism, we could live, but what we got was a slap missiles to Gan Yavne and Beer Sheva. And now you can not repeat that experience, and risk of missiles at Israel's international airport.
Q: So what is the option now?
A: We have to see how to improve the situation with the Palestinians. May eventually be able to do something only with Abu Mazen. I do not know.
P: Netanyahu spoke of the need to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza. Livni also said so. What does that mean? What forms the government and launch an initiative in this regard? Or is it a warning, that if returned to the attack, they face the consequences?
A: It is a warning, if returned to the attack.
Q: Finally "a Likud government, the Chancellor will you again?
R: Not yet reached the stage of distribution of positions and portfolios, but is probable.
In 2005 challenged the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu in the Likud and reached second place in the internal strife. It is of key party figures and could return as Chancellor, if the Likud is a government which does not have to give that ministry as central to a coalition partner.
Q: The President of the State, as determined by law, must entrust the formation of the government to one of the elected deputies, the head of a party. On the one hand, Kadima is the largest party and therefore Tzipi Livni says she should be prime minister and another block on the right, headed by the Likud, is the largest, so Benjamin Netanyahu argues that he should be the head of government. "The President is in trouble?
R: I do not have a problem. I believe that the results are clear. Also in the past mandated training government to whom the largest number of members who recommend it and I am sure that this time will be. I hope not recommend less than 61 deputies to be the Likud who should form the government, in which case everything would be particularly clear, but even if it comes to that, it is clear that many more MPs will recommend Netanyahu, not Livni, So I do not think that there must be doubts.
. Anyway, we can be sure of support 65 to form a coalition government if the national bloc, although I hope there is also a coalition including Kadima.
Q: Why no rotation between Netanyahu and Livni?
A: That's not what believe. The rotation is now open letters. We can then form a government of 65 seats. The intention is to form a government quickly, not drag things indefinitely for several weeks, because it leads to stability and do not want it. And I should clarify that for us the possibility to include the Labour party is relevant.
Kadima must give up the dream of rotation, because there is no rotation. Netanyahu wants to form the broadest possible government, but that will not be able to allow Kadima to alter the basis on which to form a government of Netanyahu.
And I think those who insist upon rotation considerations do personal, not for the national good.
BETWEEN PARTIES AND BLOCKS
A: There is no doubt that the Likud is the central element of the block called the "national", the Likud on the right. Does that mean you prefer to secure a government with Kadima in order to handle it differently?
A: I think in a coalition with Kadima we have greater possibilities of action to deal with the major challenges will this government. Remember that many things "fall" right in the period of action of this government which is to be formed: the Iranian bomb, the clash with Hamas I believe will be inevitable for a second time again, the major economic crisis significant changes in the U.S. with the new administration. All this together makes imperative to govern with a larger part of citizenship. But as they say in English. "It takes two to tango."
Here. Kadima is still dreaming and imagining things. I suggest you stop with games and tricks and if you really intend a "different policy", as they say, understand that they lost the election. What is decisive here are the blocks and it is clear that we have them 65 and 55.
And PEACE NEGOTIATIONS?
Q: You said before that they prefer a coalition with Kadima since that will give them more leeway Numerically, when taking key decisions. But my impression is that consideration of the Likud goes beyond the numerical. If you form a coalition only with the parties and the religious right (though the game is something special because Lieberman is right, but very secular), the Likud would be the central element of that block. "The issue is not you, from a political standpoint, are very different, for example, Ihud Leumi?
A: I'm against desligitimización other groups. Let's see what had so far. Until now, the left coalition had 70 seats. For three years, not bother. Is it managed in that time to make peace with the Palestinians? No. Were they able with the Syrians? No. Maybe that means the problem is not on our side but on the actors, that although they offer everything, do not come, do not sign anything? Come now and say that if a right wing government will not be political horizon and ability to negotiate is primarily wrong. And Likud governments had made peace. Moreover, in the last three years could have made peace three times but failed. That is not always the Israeli side is to blame .. The government tried, wanted peace, but could not, but Olmert gave 98% of the territory to Palestinians spoke of dividing Jerusalem, Golan spoke to lose everything ... and did you receive? Nothing. He failed.
BETWEEN CENTER AND RIGHT
P: The problem with actors is a fact, but it is something separate. You did not understand my question. I was not talking about the legitimacy or illegitimacy of Yichud Haleumi, but the fact that you are different from a game like, totally right, nationalist. Or I'm wrong in the analysis?
A: No, that's undeniable. We are different. That is obvious. They are a right wing party, we are the center-right. And yes we are ready to go to a peace agreement. We want political horizon. Bibi said it clearly in his victory speech, which will see all the possibilities for peace. But I can not say that we will find peace and try to reach it and then see the other side running partners to do so.
also seems that now the world will be a busy time with issues of internal order, with economic crisis, with less time to external issues, except on issues that really are inevitable as taxes and a clear example is the issue Iran pump. The schedule is given in a way that clearly can be reached on the nuclear option during the next few years, the government will be formed.
the Iranian danger
Q: And we talk every day the Palestinian issue, the various problems and Hamas, but that's not an existential threat to Israel. Nuclear Iran, they can do ... If the government is just to the right of Likud, it will be difficult to make such key decisions as those which are needed now is not it? And Netanyahu has said Israel will not allow Iran to have nuclear power ...
A: The fact is that Iran is an existential threat. No doubt Hamas can cause us problems. Hezbollah also. But that's not an existential threat. But the Iranian issue is one thing and Israel can not afford to live in a situation in which Iran have nuclear power. That should be clear.
also be known that when talking about the military option, that should be the last, last resort. Profundament I believe in the likelihood of success of economic sanctions. It sags in the past in South Africa, defeated Libya, is making the task with North Korea should be punished .. but true, not "Light." I think that we should not wait for a Security Council decision as China and Russia will not join. Russia has returned to the Soviet Union's position according to which America's enemy is your friend.
Only 2% of Iran's trade with Russia therefore not be significant if Russia joins or not sanctions. As for China, does not care about international issues, except as Taiwan. And does not impose a veto in the Security Council. In addition, China has signed with Iran the largest settlement in modern history, 75 billion dollars for oil and gas supply for 30 years, so I see no chance whatsoever that China would join.
have to take another option. Between the U.S. and the EU have 2 / 3 of international trade in Iran. So you have to think that if they impose real sanctions, then Canada will join them. Australia and Japan. And that would be very serious. Do not wait can not wait for a decision of the Security Council it will not be effective and in the meantime, the clock is ticking. If the world decides it can do.
course I'm not sure this is the policy of the new U.S. administration. But I also think there will be if Iran is moving quickly to stop if nuclear program or not. I hope that takes time is not unlimited.
the political horizon
Q: Turning to the Palestinian issue. In the Likud, the majority of its members want to emphasize that "political horizon", they agree. But if they make a government with right-wing parties with different positions that do not accept any withdrawal rate what political horizon will be speaking?
A: It is now not see any situation where there horizon with partners with which they can achieve something. "With Hamas in Gaza, who can not speak? With Abu Mazen in the West Bank does not control the situation as it is needed? How Syria while it remains a protectorate of Iran can not reach any real understanding? So I think this is sometimes more anxiety and aspiration of us that something we can realize ..
Q: Is that why you said that he supported political horizon? Are you saying that because he believes that just is not there?
A: No. I always believed in the need for a political horizon. I wish I could achieve. That is the right direction. But once there, it must be clear that all parties must give up something. If not, does not work.
Q: The question is what would accept the Likud, if problems are solved and yes there is the possibility of reaching a concrete agreement. "The Likud is willing to accept a Palestinian state built in territories from which Israel will have to withdraw?
A: Look, after what happened in Gaza, now that allow them to shoot from Beit Arie planes landing at Ben Gurion, is impossible. Of course now that's not the way to follow. In the past we all thought that the Gaza disengagement was a clear opportunity open to peace, Gaza would develop, which would have tourism, we could live, but what we got was a slap missiles to Gan Yavne and Beer Sheva. And now you can not repeat that experience, and risk of missiles at Israel's international airport.
Q: So what is the option now?
A: We have to see how to improve the situation with the Palestinians. May eventually be able to do something only with Abu Mazen. I do not know.
P: Netanyahu spoke of the need to overthrow the Hamas regime in Gaza. Livni also said so. What does that mean? What forms the government and launch an initiative in this regard? Or is it a warning, that if returned to the attack, they face the consequences?
A: It is a warning, if returned to the attack.
Q: Finally "a Likud government, the Chancellor will you again?
R: Not yet reached the stage of distribution of positions and portfolios, but is probable.
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